Iskcon and its followers tells that Krishna is the only GOD and he must only be worshiped and they also say that all other deities are Anti vedic and slaves of their master Krishna.
They call Rudra ( Shiv ) the best among the worshipers of Krishna.
The funny part is that they say that Vishnu is an avatar of Krishna and it is not the other way.
First of all let us see Who Krishna was according to recorded History and Archeology
Shrimad Bhagvatam declares that Krishna arrives on Earth towards the end of the Dwapar Yug of the 7th Manvantar of the 1st Kalpa of the 51st year of the current Brahma.. rather precise timing there!!
Currently, we are in the last of the four Yugas called the Kaliyuga which, according to astronomical calculations, began on the 20th of February 3102 BCE. Now, this would place Krishna roughly around 3300-3200 BCE as the Bhagvatam states that Kaliyuga couldn't begin till Krishna was on the planet!
Fortunately, there is a large body of literary and archaeological evidence that can guide us towards an approximate time-period for His presence. The earliest text to explicitly provide detailed descriptions of Krishna is of course the epic Mahabharat.
Since it is primarily the history of the Kurus (Pandavs and Kauravs), Mahabharat contains only that part of Krishna's life that had a bearing on the fate of Kurus. However, its crown jewel is the Bhagvad Geeta which transforms Krishna from a much adored and cherished Princely diplomat to the Supreme God Himself.
LETS GO TO GEETA NOW :
In Holy Gita Adhyay 4 Shlok 5 God , the narrator of Gita, is saying that oh Arjun! You and I have had many births.
This very evidence is given in Gita Adhyay 2 Shlok 12; where the narrator of Gita has said that oh Arjun! You, I and all these soldiers have taken birth before and will also take birth in future.
{It is clear from this that Brahm (the narrator of Gita) is also a perishable/Mortal God (Kshar Purush).}
Therefore in Gita Adhyay 15 Shlok 16-17, there is a distict description of the three Gods – two Gods are Kshar Purush (Perishable God – Brahm) and Akshar Purush (Imperishable God – Akshar Brahm ); but in reality imperishable/immortal is some other God, who is actually known as the Eternal Parmatma Parmeshwar (Supreme God).
In Gita Adhyay 7 Shlok 29 the speaker of Gita says
"Those who know my entire adhyatm/religious knowledge and all actions, those men strive to get rid of old age and death and they know that Brahm (tat brahm)."
Here the Speaker of Gita ji is referring to some other God. Therefore Arjun asks the speaker of Gita ji in Adhyay 8 Shlok 1 about "that Brahm" (tat brahm). Arjun questions Krishna ji that "who is that brahm you are talking about?"
Gita Adhyay 8 Shlok 1
"Oh Purushottam! What is that Brahm? What is Adhyatm? What is Karm? What is called by the name Adhibhoot, and who is said to be Adhidev?"
The speaker of Gita ji then answers in Adhyay 8 Shlok 3 and says it is "Param Aksharam Brahm".
The Speaker of Gita ji is referring to some other God as Param Akshar Brahm here.
In Gita Adhyay 8 Shlok 6, the speaker of Gita has said that it is a rule that in the final moments, while remembering whichever God (Brahm, ParBrahm, Purna Brahm), a devotee leaves his body, he goes to him (that God) only.
It is this same God "Param Akshar Brahm" (Supreme God), that the Speaker of Gita ji is asking Arjun to go in to refuge of in Adhyay 18 Shlok 62 and then again in shlok 66.
Gita Adhyay 18 Shlok 62
Oh Bharat! You, in every respect, go in the refuge of only that Supreme God hidden in the darkness of ignorance. By the grace of that Supreme God, you will attain the supreme peace and the everlasting – Sat lok (place-dhaam).
1. The narrator of Gita is saying to Arjun that if you worship me with one mind then you will achieve me but if you want to achieve eternal place and supreme happiness then go in to the refuge of that Supreme God.
2. The narrator of Gita is in birth and death.
3. The narrator of Gita is also in the refuge of that Supreme God.(Adhyay 15 Shlok 4)
They call Rudra ( Shiv ) the best among the worshipers of Krishna.
The funny part is that they say that Vishnu is an avatar of Krishna and it is not the other way.
First of all let us see Who Krishna was according to recorded History and Archeology
Historical period of Krishna
Shrimad Bhagvatam declares that Krishna arrives on Earth towards the end of the Dwapar Yug of the 7th Manvantar of the 1st Kalpa of the 51st year of the current Brahma.. rather precise timing there!!
Currently, we are in the last of the four Yugas called the Kaliyuga which, according to astronomical calculations, began on the 20th of February 3102 BCE. Now, this would place Krishna roughly around 3300-3200 BCE as the Bhagvatam states that Kaliyuga couldn't begin till Krishna was on the planet!
Fortunately, there is a large body of literary and archaeological evidence that can guide us towards an approximate time-period for His presence. The earliest text to explicitly provide detailed descriptions of Krishna is of course the epic Mahabharat.
Since it is primarily the history of the Kurus (Pandavs and Kauravs), Mahabharat contains only that part of Krishna's life that had a bearing on the fate of Kurus. However, its crown jewel is the Bhagvad Geeta which transforms Krishna from a much adored and cherished Princely diplomat to the Supreme God Himself.
LETS GO TO GEETA NOW :
The speaker of Gita claims to be in birth and death
In Holy Gita Adhyay 4 Shlok 5 God , the narrator of Gita, is saying that oh Arjun! You and I have had many births.
This very evidence is given in Gita Adhyay 2 Shlok 12; where the narrator of Gita has said that oh Arjun! You, I and all these soldiers have taken birth before and will also take birth in future.
{It is clear from this that Brahm (the narrator of Gita) is also a perishable/Mortal God (Kshar Purush).}
Therefore in Gita Adhyay 15 Shlok 16-17, there is a distict description of the three Gods – two Gods are Kshar Purush (Perishable God – Brahm) and Akshar Purush (Imperishable God – Akshar Brahm ); but in reality imperishable/immortal is some other God, who is actually known as the Eternal Parmatma Parmeshwar (Supreme God).
TAT BRAHM IS GREATER THAN KRISHNA ? - GITA
In Gita Adhyay 7 Shlok 29 the speaker of Gita says
"Those who know my entire adhyatm/religious knowledge and all actions, those men strive to get rid of old age and death and they know that Brahm (tat brahm)."
Here the Speaker of Gita ji is referring to some other God. Therefore Arjun asks the speaker of Gita ji in Adhyay 8 Shlok 1 about "that Brahm" (tat brahm). Arjun questions Krishna ji that "who is that brahm you are talking about?"
Gita Adhyay 8 Shlok 1
"Oh Purushottam! What is that Brahm? What is Adhyatm? What is Karm? What is called by the name Adhibhoot, and who is said to be Adhidev?"
The speaker of Gita ji then answers in Adhyay 8 Shlok 3 and says it is "Param Aksharam Brahm".
The Speaker of Gita ji is referring to some other God as Param Akshar Brahm here.
In Gita Adhyay 8 Shlok 6, the speaker of Gita has said that it is a rule that in the final moments, while remembering whichever God (Brahm, ParBrahm, Purna Brahm), a devotee leaves his body, he goes to him (that God) only.
It is this same God "Param Akshar Brahm" (Supreme God), that the Speaker of Gita ji is asking Arjun to go in to refuge of in Adhyay 18 Shlok 62 and then again in shlok 66.
Gita Adhyay 18 Shlok 62
Oh Bharat! You, in every respect, go in the refuge of only that Supreme God hidden in the darkness of ignorance. By the grace of that Supreme God, you will attain the supreme peace and the everlasting – Sat lok (place-dhaam).
The discussion proves the following things
1. The narrator of Gita is saying to Arjun that if you worship me with one mind then you will achieve me but if you want to achieve eternal place and supreme happiness then go in to the refuge of that Supreme God.
2. The narrator of Gita is in birth and death.
3. The narrator of Gita is also in the refuge of that Supreme God.(Adhyay 15 Shlok 4)
IS KRISHNA VEDIC ???
There is not atleast ONE single reference of Krishna in vedas and Iskcon calls Rudra , "Anti vedic".
IS THERE ANY TRUE BEHIND IT ???
LET US SEE IN DETAIL WHAT VEDAS AND UPANISHAD TELLS ABOUT RUDRA
“imā rudrāya sthiradhanvane ghiraḥ kṣipreṣave devāya svadhāvne |
aṣāḷhāya sahamānāya vedhase tighmāyudhāya bharatā śṛṇotu naḥ |” (RV 7:46:1)
“To Rudra bring these songs, whose bow is firm and strong, the self-dependent God with swiftly-flying shafts,The Wise, the Conqueror whom none may overcome, armed with sharp-pointed weapons: may he hear our call”.
“śreṣṭho jātasya rudra śriyāsi tavastamastavasāṃ vajrabāho |
parṣi ṇaḥ pāramaṃhasaḥ svasti viśvā abhītī rapaso yuyodhi ||” (Rig Veda 2:33:3)
“Chief of all born art thou in glory, Rudra, armed with the thunder, mightiest of the mighty. Transport us over trouble to well-being repel thou from us all assaults of mischief”.
“sthirebhiraṅghaiḥ pururūpa ughro babhruḥ śukrebhiḥ pipiśehiraṇyaiḥ |
īśānādasya bhuvanasya bhūrerna vā u yoṣad rudrādasuryam ||” (RV 2:33:9)
“With firm limbs, multiform, the strong, the tawny adorns himself with bright gold decorations. The strength of Godhead ne’er departs from Rudra, him who is Sovran of this world, the mighty”.
“sa hi kṣayeṇa kṣamyasya janmanaḥ sāmrājyena divyasya cetati |
avannavantīrupa no duraścarānamīvo rudra jāsu no bhava ||” (Rig Veda 7:46:2)
“He through his lordship pervades in all things and beings on the earth, on heavenly beings through his high imperial sway (controlling influence or power). Come willingly to our doors that gladly welcome thee, and heal all sickness, Rudra., in our families”.
In RV 7:46:2 Rudra is called as the the one who “rules” on all celestial beings through his imperial power. In RV 2:33:9 Rudra is referred as the Godhead whose strength doesn’t leave (depart from) him. In RV 2:33:3 he is called as “mightiest of the mighty” not just mighty or mightier. In RV 7:46:1 Rudra is called as the God who is “self dependent” and “none can overcome Rudra”.
As he is “self dependent”, he doesn’t need to derive strength from anyone for his work; as he is the “Godhead whose strength never departs from him”, he doesn’t require to borrow strength from anyone; as he “pervades/rules over the gods by his imperial power” which god can be an exception to this? as he is the “mightiest of the mighty”, who else can donate him strength?
Then RV 7:40:5 says “Rudra derives his Rudra strength from Vishnu”.
ISKCON takes this hymn as there best weapon to attack Shaivas
Its say usually used term , " Derive the energy", it usually used with spouse of a God. For example, Brahma derives strength from Saraswati, Vishnu derives strength from Lekshmi and Rudra derives strength from Parvathi ( Uma )
“yaa umaa saa svaya.n vishhNur” (Rudra Hridayopanishad 5)
“Uma Herself is in the form of Vishnu”
The above hymn from Rudra Hridayopanishad tells that Uma took the form of Vishnu. The North Indian mysticism believes that Vishnu himself is a form of Aadi Shakthi. Rudra is also sometimes called Vishnuvallabhan ( Husband of Vishnu ).
“Ardha vapusha baryatwam, Gonithwam sakkhitha…” (Shivananda Lahari Para-82)
“Lord Vishnu occupied half your body, Became transformed to be your wife (PARVATI), Became a boar to search for you, Became your lady friend to serve the nectar (MOHINI)”
The Taittirya Aranyaka(10:24:1) of Yajur Veda clearly says Lord Rudra is ‘Veda Purusha’ (purusho vai rudrah).
And none is superior to Purusha.
“vishvatashchaxuruta vishvatomukho vishvatobaahuruta vishvataspaat.h |
saM baahubhyaa.n dhamati saMpatatrairdyaavaabhuumii janayan.h deva ekaH |” (Sve. Upa. 3.03)
“His eyes are everywhere, His faces everywhere, His arms everywhere, everywhere His feet. He it is who endows men with arms, birds with feet and wings and men likewise with feet. Having produced heaven and earth, He remains as their non—dual (deva ekaH) manifester”.
“sarvaanana shirogriivaH sarvabhuutaguhaashayaH |
sarvavyaapii sa bhagavaa.nstasmaat.h sarvagataH shivaH |” (Sve. Upa. 3:11)
“All faces are His faces; all heads, His heads; all necks, His necks. He dwells in the hearts of all beings. He is the all—pervading Bhagavan. Therefore He is the omnipresent and benign Lord”.
“yasmaat.h para.n naaparamasti ki.nchidya smaannaNiiyo na jyaayo.asti kashchit.h |
vR^ixa iva stabdho divi tishhThatyeka stenedaM puurNaM purushheNa sarvam.h |” (Sve. Upa. 3:09)
“This whole universe is filled by this person (purusha-Rudra), to whom there is nothing superior, from whom there is nothing different, than whom there is nothing smaller or larger, who stands alone, fixed like a tree in the sky”.
Lord Shiva himself says:-
“paramo.asmi paraatparaH” (Maitreya Upa. 3:10)
“I am the supreme, greater than the great”.
Rudra Hridaya Upanishad and Shivananda Lahari says Vishnu and UMA are of same form (they are same). Sharabha Upanishad and Rudra Hridayopanishad, Rig Veda.IX.96.5 says Vishnu is Shiva’s and Uma’s son. Sri Rudram says Shiva exists as Vishnu. Hence comparing these points we can conclude here that Vishnu is Shiva’s form (son) having UMA’s features hence UMA and Vishnu are shown as identical but since Uma manifested as Yashoda’s daughter Yogamaya as a ssiter of Krishna she is popularly called as Vishnu’s sister.
Shiva-Shakti are non-dual. They created Vishnu, so Vishnu is Uma’s son as Annapoorna Astottara Shatanamavali also calls her as, “Vishnu Jananyai Namah”.
Rudra is “mightiest of the mighty (Rig Veda 2:33:3)”, this is the reason why he is “self-dependent (RV 7:46:1)”, this is the reason why he is “the godhead whose strength doesn’t depart from him (RV 2:33:9)”, this is the reason why he is able to “rule on all celestial gods with his high imerial power (Rig Veda 7:46:2)”.
HOPE THE ABOVE DISCUSSION TELLS WHO IS VEDIC AND WHO IS NOT
